Wednesday, November 25, 2009

If Pauls words are equal to the Words of GOD are these words accepted by Christian women ?

"Any woman who prays with her head unveiled dishonors her head. It is the same as if her head were shaven, for if a woman will not veil herself then she should cut off her hair. But if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven , let her wear a veil. (1 Corenthians 11 :5).

Whosoever looketh upon a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

(MATT 5:28-29).

TIT002:005 - To be discreet, chaste, keepers at HOME, good, OBEDIENT to their HUSBANDS...

1PE 3:001 - Likewise, ye wives, be in SUBJECTION to your own HUSBANDS. -------

Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in SUBMISSION, as the Law says. -- 1 Corinthians 14:34

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach [didaskein], nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (1 Timothy 2:11-12)

Ecclesiastes 7:26 KJV: And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her but she will catch whoever continues to sin. (GOD'S WORD庐)

"I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men". --1 Timothy 2:11-14

Genesis 3:16 ----Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy pain and thy conception; in pain thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.


If Pauls words are equal to the Words of GOD are these words accepted by Christian women ?

The NT is also an evil book.

If Pauls words are equal to the Words of GOD are these words accepted by Christian women ?

What is your meandering point? I can't tell through all of your out-of-context quotes?

If Pauls words are equal to the Words of GOD are these words accepted by Christian women ?

To the degree that they honour and glorify the Lord, they will accept them as the words of God.

If Pauls words are equal to the Words of GOD are these words accepted by Christian women ?

Yes, by an obedient Christian woman. : D

If Pauls words are equal to the Words of GOD are these words accepted by Christian women ?

Yes, but not out of context as they have been stated! The scriptures must be examined as to whom they were written, because sometimes they were admonishing Christian's behavior due to traditions and not due to worship.


If Pauls words are equal to the Words of GOD are these words accepted by Christian women ?

Sadly they are. Women are more important than even they know. We have a special place in life that doesn't involve home and family as their only focus. We are the spiritual vessels of the world. Our ability is great and we have been made to look like such empty headed fools. The last laugh will be on those that have persecuted us over the millenia. Women will remember who and what they are. Then the world will change and work to the good of all.

If Pauls words are equal to the Words of GOD are these words accepted by Christian women ?

Paul's words are not the word of God. He was a disciple and a known misogynist. Many of the male leaders of the patriarchal church hated women and blamed them all collectively for the fall. If you are Christian, then you believe Christ is the fulfillment of the old law. He brought and established the new law. Therefore, the old restrictions no longer apply. Just try to remember, both male and female were created in the image of god. There is an old saying. woman was not created from man's head to be above him, nor from his feet to be below him, but from his rib to stand at his side.

If Pauls words are equal to the Words of GOD are these words accepted by Christian women ?

Taken out of context? Yeah, right. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a Christian answer that is 'out of context'. They probably think their ASSUMPTION that men are to do the same (even though it never says anything of the sort) makes any logical comprehension of those verses 'out of context'.

I swear. If you keep reading in this section, you'll find plenty of 'answers' from ppl with little or no reading comprehension ability.

If Pauls words are equal to the Words of GOD are these words accepted by Christian women ?

Paul does speak through the Spirit of God, yet God understands the different cultures and speaks some things to the Jewish people and other things to all people. Each person must decide in their own heart as the Spirit guides them. A woman may choose to cover her head and another may not choose to do so. Each person does whatever the Spirit leads them to do. One person may not cover their head in their youth and later on may feel the need to honor God in this way. Either way, it is the guidance of the Holy Spirit that is most important in everything. How our conscience interacts with Gods Spirit is what is important. One person may eat meat, another may eat only vegetables, do everything to glorify God and keep a clean conscience before Him. You quoted Matt. 5:28-29...Do you really think that God would want you to pluck out your eye? Isn't your body a temple and wouldn't that be destroying what God has made? To those who live and are trying to be justified by the law, that is who Jesus is speaking to. To those who are truly His children, we trust in Christ Jesus to deliver us from sin, not by what we do, but by what He has already done. Remember, Jesus was speaking to the natural world about Spiritual things, we His children are Spiritual and those lessons are not for us. We are commanded to pick up our cross and follow Him, speak Gods word in truth and with love for everyone. Gods rules for the saved and the unsaved are not the same. Just as our eternal destinations and our judgment are not the same. God Bless You...Peace.

If Pauls words are equal to the Words of GOD are these words accepted by Christian women ?

first off, Paul spoke by the Holy Spirit, so these are basically God's words. secondly, I can explain these Scriptures pretty easily, just by using the contexts.

(1 Corinthians 11:5) -- gender. a woman is not to act or look like a man, as that is not God's will. God ordered nature in such a way that the genders are distinct and are suited for certain roles. a woman without a head covering back then was the equivalent to a sex change at the time; a woman defying her biology and saying "I am not to be a woman, despite what God wants, I want to be a man". likewise, a man couldn't have his head covered nor have long hair.

(Matthew 5:28-29) -- that doesn't really have anything to do so much about women as it does lust in general. one should keep their self from even the first step of sinning.

(Titus 2:5) -- good examples. the Holy Spirit didn't want people going around and saying "ooh, look at them Christians! they won't even follow the laws of society! their women are the heads!". for a developing church, being seen as a threat to the laws of the land was a problem. it'd be like if all Christians just decided to strike in their workplace without cause. we're supposed to be the examples for people to follow, to be admired

(1 Peter 3:1) -- behavior. again, as Christians are supposed to be good examples, a wife who was the talk of the town positively, was seen as a benefit. you'll notice how much people associate behavior and religion.

(1 Corinthians 14:34/1 Timothy 2:11-12) -- order. again, a reflection on the church. as it was a patriarchal society, if a visitor came in he'd immediately be offended if a lady interrupted a man who was about to speak, despite the reason. so people don't talk about the "chaos" in the church, a woman would tell the word she received from the Lord to her husband, and he'd say it. or, if she had a question, he'd ask the church leader after the sermon.

(Ecclesiastes 7:26) -- Solomon's earthly wisdom. Solomon had wisdom in governing God's people. other wisdom was basically experience. he had 1000 women to his name, so of course he had problems with women. who's to blame a guy or girl who's had a bad relationship and doesn't want others to fall into the same trap? Solomon's basically saying "guys, don't make my mistake. get a good woman! don't go after harlots like I did".

(1 Timothy 2:11-14) -- again, gender and reflection. feminism, a division in the church, bad rep., etc.

(Genesis 3:16) -- consequence. Eve got punished, Adam got punished. Eve had greater pains in childbirth and was subject to her husband. firstly, that doesn't mean that women getting equal rights is a bad thing. marriage is the only area where man is the head. you'll notice it says "your husband" and not "Adam/man".

If Pauls words are equal to the Words of GOD are these words accepted by Christian women ?

They are accepted by some. But few churches accept them as they are written. The "plain" peoples follow these passages intentionally (Amish, Mennonite, Annabaptist, Church of the Brethren, etc.) Other denomintaions follow different parts of these to different degrees. Mot mainstream denominations would tell you that a huband should be the head of the household, but few would tell women to be silent in church.

Not all of Paul's words are words directly from the Lord. Paul repeatedly, and often, tells us when he is giving his personal opinion and when he is speaking a commandment from the Lord.

Also, you are probably reading some of them out of context---as are some who have already answered. The first passage is from chapter 11 of 1 Corinthians. Paul wrote this to both the Corinthian Christians and to Christians "everywhere" (see verse 2 chapter 1). Paul did not tell us he was speaking his own opinion.

The second passage were not the words of Paul, but of Jesus. He was speaking figuratively, as He quite often did.

The passages from Titus and 1 Peter can be found (not exactly the same words) in several other books of the Bible each written by a different person. Peter, James, Paul, all wrote similar scriptures.

1 Corinthians (women be silent....) The context here is that of Paul telling the church how to set up its authority. He is saying that women should not be put in possitions of authority, he is not saying that women can not peak in church at all. Later he talks about women praying and prophesying in church. They could not do this unless they could speak. He is talking about teaching and preaching--in other words---having authority over a man.

The passage from Ecclesiastes is way out of context--re-read it.

All the other passages, and most already covered, are directions based upon the way in which God created men and women. The system of authority and structure, if you will, that God desires Christians to live under. God created Adam in His own image, then He created Eve in Adam's image as a helpmeet. It is in no way intended to imply that women are less "spiritually" valuable in the Kingdom. It is simply an issue of having different roles. In the same passage in 1 Cor 11 you will also find a warning to men not to assume that they can abuse their authority. In all the other places where women are told to live in submission to their husbands, you will also find orders to men---orders that define their roles in the system---. Men are to "love their wives as Christ loved the church, giving himself up for her, even unto death." That's a pretty big order if you ask me. Being a husband who seeks to do just that, I think (and my wife thinks) that it is harder than

living in submission. Wives are told to follow their husbands. Men are told to lead their families--but not just lead them----lead them and love them the same as Christ loved the church. How can any man ever achieve that to perfection? That's a huge order to fill.

Oh, I forgot the Titus passage: discreet, chaste, keepers at home: Paul is telling women that they should do these things. I think that if we're honest, we would admit that the moral fiber of our society is eroding. If one knows much about our history, one can pretty easily trace the roots of this problem to Rosie the Rivetter. When women were forced out of the home during WWII, our families, and thereby our society, lost a crucial stabalizing force. Now our children are raised by strangers in daycare and have parents who work nearly half again as many hours as they did in 1940. None of that can be good for our families or the society.

If Pauls words are equal to the Words of GOD are these words accepted by Christian women ?

*IF* there is a God,

Paul does not speak for him/her.

If Pauls words are equal to the Words of GOD are these words accepted by Christian women ?

A man with such a wife is singularly blessed. But for balance, see also Proverbs 31. This lady--although a LADY--is certainly NOT to be doormat, but a supportive mate.

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